Kale Zelden gets it.
Linked below are part one and part two of my interview with Kale Zelden. It is in two parts because I forgot that the free version of Zoom times out after forty minutes. so there is some awkardness at the end of part one and the beginning of part two. But I hate editing (don't know how anyway) so please forgive this poor old Luddite.
Part One:
Part Two:
