Bishop Barron Presents: Conversations at the Crossroads interview with Dr. Larry Chapp.

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Linked below is the interview I taped on August 3rd at the Word on Fire studios in Santa Barbara. And for those of you still waiting for my blog post on David Hart’s book just know that it should be out by the end of the week. Until then….


  1. Fantastic conversation. This is one of Bishop Barron’s more candid videos. I’m glad to see he’s engaging his critics more directly but still with an eye towards better evangelization.

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  2. Dr Chapp, thank you for the superb discussion. I’ve come away quite inspired. Forgive me for asking (because I’d guess you’ve discussed this before), but is there a book by Balthasar that you’d recommend as something of a primer for his thought? After hearing about his trilogy, through this discussion, I thought to myself “Ah, I’ll buy a volume of that!”, only to learn that it is an immense and somewhat daunting work, in terms of expense at the very least. I could search online, but would greatly value your take on where a “Balthasar Novice” should start. Thank you again for sharing the video!


      1. Yes! Just finished it. Balthasar’s Love Alone is Credible makes sense of the Sermon on the Mount, and all of the actions of Jesus, as they are all His “Yes” to the Father. Jesus’ act of love in taking flesh and dying and His invitation to love the Father as He loves Him make sense only as an act of love, an a priori “yes”. They are incomprehensible otherwise. It is a stout yet spiritually profitable read.

        Love = holiness = fiat. Love is the hermeneutic to understand God, and therefore, everything else. Our a priori yes to God is what it means to be a saint, to be holy. Love Alone is the message of the New Evangelization. Seeing Jesus’ life and the Church’s mission through psychology, sociology and philosophy are lifeless and beige. Gaudium et Spes, 22…

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  3. Thanks Dr Chapp for an excellent discussion. Speaking about people who hold the “massa damnata” view, you say that in this view there is “a level of violence that I haven’t completely analysed”. You also mention anger and animosity. It is always risky to analyse the motivations of others. Bishop Barron associated the massa damnata view with Saint Augustine. Augustine wrote an autobiography wherein he analyses his life and motivations in forensic detail, and so I suggest that the motives that would cause Augustine to be so pessimistic about hell might be identifiable in “Confessions”. Maybe this is a question for a believing psychologist who is familiar with Augustine’s work.


  4. This is a really great discussion – both men filled with the joy of the gospel but not in that soft way that we, I think, have come to expect when hearing that phrase in the modern world.

    It’s great to see people discussing important matters in a serious way.

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  5. Larry, yes thanks for a very informative interview. As a student of the thought of JPII I didn’t realize that I was part of the “left” wing 🙂 . Very sad although the saying by Mark Twain reminds me to be humble: “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”

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  6. “I guess this is why I kind of end up one of those who has little hope that many are saved—because even most professing Christians ignore the most clear demands of the Sermon on the Mount—and me included!”

    It is a curious sort of God who demands such forgiveness on part his followers but shows none himself.


  7. One more thing. I really like your perspective on “leaving” Hell, rather than “going to”. Very much in the theme of C.S. Lewis’s great work, “The Great Divorce”. I suppose I like it because that was motto after my first week of inpatient–“I know what Hell is like because I am leaving”. Such a helpful perspective, since so many people are so inured to the Hell that they live in.

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  8. Radtrads as setting up roadblocks to Vatican II’s call to holiness, okay, but, what about the resurgent 60’s and 70’s craziness right now, wherein priests and bishops distort, misrepresent, and openly oppose church teaching? For example, how about Fr. James Martin and those who have joined in promoting LGBTQ and gender insanity? Or how about addressing the “political” bishops who will not call Catholic politicians to repentance nor proclaim the truth found in 1 COR 11? Your discussion avoided some big issues that stand in the way of effectively calling the laity to holiness and proclaiming the Gospel. (The indifference of many bishops to providing leadership and effectively proclaiming the Gospel and truth in the face of so much confusion and so many lies is another.) It’s bigger than the radtrads, and I know from reading your blog posts that you recognize these problems, but in your discussion with Bishop Barron there was a big elephant in the room that you avoided or just didn’t have time to address. I realize in an hour you have to focus and time is limited, but maybe another session with Bishop Barron on these and related issues? Keep up the good work!

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  9. Thank you for the conversation!

    In the midst of this episode, you referenced a post you wrote about living the Universal Call to Holiness for a father of five with a golden-doodle. Could you please direct me to that post? As a parish priest, this is definitely a question I have been asked plenty of times and I am very interested in your treatment of the matter. I like to think of my parish as one of those bright spots you referenced in this episode, and the more we can do to help everyone at Sacred Heart to become Saints the better!

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